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Post by lostlove4ever on Jul 18, 2004 21:52:55 GMT -5
I had a friend killed may 31.His wife was saying it was a accident at first then said it was suicide.I think it was murder cause he was shot in the back of his head in his car.There has been nothing else said about it since.He left 6 kids behind and I don't think it's fair his kids have to belive there dad shot and killed his self.If it was suicide wouldnt you think he would have shot his self some where else other then the back of his head.Why care about where you shot your self if your gonna commit suicide right?I can't get over this and its hard for me to deal with it. How could I help on finding the truth out on what happened to him that night?With me just being a friend and not family.How can I get my hands on the autopsy report,and the police report?Please if someone could help me out on how to get information it would be very appreciated. Thank You
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Post by Snowleopard on Jul 20, 2004 0:59:28 GMT -5
I'll leave it to others to tell how to get the reports.
As far as the actual ballistics go, on where one might shoot themselves, sufficient to say that it does matter. A head shot is not always fatal or may not instantly be fatal. And I shall leave it there without getting into case histories or possibilities.
As far as accident, suicide, or murder; realize that it is better to call a suicide an accident since many insurance policies won't pay off for a suicide...........but if what was termed an accident suddenly became defined as the latter, then that would be one of my first thoughts as to why.
As stated, it does seem a rather odd position for a one person incident.........but possible if various weapons are considered. There have been one person in car incidents which on the face appeared to be homicide but in investigation, were not. But I don't intend to go into such a subject here, on speculation without data alone, because it could be a subject that could be indelicately answered here.
For now, I'll just leave it as possible.
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Post by HeavenlyAngels219 on Jul 20, 2004 8:55:14 GMT -5
This is my first post in this section of the board...
Maybe I need to explain more on this....4 diffrent people in my family has been murdered. We have seen ''justice'' ina mew light because of all of this .....But the one I wanted to talk about in here was my cousin Diane
She went missing in August and was found the the next month in the trunk of a car in the woods. A hunter smelled her body. I say smelled instead of found because there was nothing left of her...We live in Louisiana and it tends to get really hot here so ....well you know what I mean from there .... HER KILLER HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND
We heard lots of stories as to how she ended up where she was and I have to say this was my favorite..YOU will see why after you read it.
A woman(if you want to call her that...I can think of many other words to call her) was talking to my mom...the woman did not know that Diane was my mom's cousin....She asked my mom if she had heard about what happened in Grant Parish( where Diane lived and her body was found). My mom said she had heard it on the news, ( this woman is one of those people that if she said she talked to you and you said hello to her that would be where the truth stopped coming out of her mouth) She told my mom that Diane had killed herself and this was all staged to try and put her husbacnd behind bars for her death, My mom looked at her and said the following...How in the hell do you shot yourself in the back of the head, tie your hands behind your back, whipe the car clean of fingerprints and blood, as the cops believe she was killed somewhere else. and then last but not least put yourself in the trunk of the car ? Oh and let's not forget that you also manage to get rid of the gun ?... That woman had very little to say after that. Then my mom let her know that Diane was also her cousin. About this time we had to just about pull mom off of her because mom was going to open a can of southern whoop a@# !!! I hope you see why it was my favorite. It makes me sick that people want to start rumors or not answer questions just because they can... People need to relize(sp) that the families involved need the truth not lies...Lies is how we got where we are today.
Ok enough of my venting..Thanks for listening to me...I hope and pray that the truth is soon found out for the families and friends involved in all of this for you. The kids need answers that will help them deal with this not more lies. They are the truly innocent ones in all of this...
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Post by Snowleopard on Jul 21, 2004 0:52:38 GMT -5
All noted.
I'm just saying that on the basis of one's account, especially without any visuals or pictures of the scene, there are possibilities.
Does one particular situation sound like murder? Certainly. Could it have been something else? Possibly. Should it be labeled as something else? IMHO, of murder or manslaughter, no............but even then, there are possible circumstances in some eyes such as domestic abuse. In suicide, perhaps.
There's not enough data here to make a determination either way.
I could list specific cases where it appeared initially as one thing, but turned out to be another; can list motivations for courses of actions; could note a possible list of events for a situation; all to support my position here..........but at this time, I don't think it is appropriate to do so here. ------------------------------------------- ("I could list the death as accidental. He didn't know that the drug condoms would burst in his stomach."--USN coronor, (wtte), "Magnum, P.I." pilot movie)
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Post by HeavenlyAngels219 on Jul 21, 2004 9:07:53 GMT -5
("I could list the death as accidental. He didn't know that the drug condoms would burst in his stomach."--USN coronor, (wtte), "Magnum, P.I." pilot movie) .....
That is a little different then being SHOT in the BACK of the head....
Look at what happened to my cousin...YOU cant tell me that her on doing ....ANYONE who is shot in the back of the head should be a big clue that the person was murdered and didnt try to kill themselves......you cant reach back for enough with a gun to shot your self in the back of the head....yes i know you can reach to the back of the head ....but I have never heard of someone killing theirself that way....it is always to the side or front of the head
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Post by Snowleopard on Jul 23, 2004 1:56:03 GMT -5
First of all, what comes after the --------------------------- is a signature block, usually pulled from literature as something that is similar to what is said. It is not part of the main text.
Second of all, as stated before, there is insufficient data presented here to make any conclusions so multiple visualizations are possible. It would not be impossible to commit suicide with a shot to the back of the head if someone had a shotgun and was sitting down. It would be quite easy.
If analysis is to be made, details are necessary and not just of the scene. A forensic psychology makeup of the victim would help.
I apologize for having to get into detail.
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Post by HeavenlyAngels219 on Jul 23, 2004 7:34:33 GMT -5
First of all ...with a shotgun....that is to long of a barrell...your arm would no be long enough....it would have to be a handgun...
Second of all....i never said it was impossible ....i said that people who tend to kill themselves via a gun usually do it from the front or side......
Very ODD that they shot themselves in the back of the head.
I PERSONALLY think the cops need to look into this more. Get the reports from the police on anything you can from that night! See if you can find a lawyer that might be willing to read over all the reports and help explain them.Some lawyers will do that for free.Even if he did kill himself at least you would know more then just wondering.
I wish you all the best and will be praying for you.I hope you find the answers you seek even if it means he did kill himself it is much better then wondering.
P.S. I am new to this site and have not figured out how to quote someone yet....I knew copy and paste would work.
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Post by lostlove4ever on Jul 25, 2004 22:19:08 GMT -5
I thank you all for the replys.I'm a little scarred on telling alot of the details on what I was told. Cause I feel she had him killed she can have me killed if she found out who was talking.Maybe she wont find this web site.So here goes.When I got the call about him her brother told me it was a accident they were driving down the road.He reaches in the back seat to get his gun and the gun went off and shot him.Then she says they were fighting and he shot him self.She also said she was no where around when it happened.The paper says they found him in the front seat of his car.I do know 2 weeks prior to this she threatened to have him killed if she ever caught him cheating on her.That is the strange part she has so many stories.I knew alot about there past history relationship and his wife and his wifes brother did stab him in the head at one point in time.I feel if they could do that then they could have killed him.He had a life insurance policy there is $2500.00 missing and she has a bad drug habbit she is a junky and she has admitted that to her kids and everyone else.You wanted more to the story there it is. Thank You Very Much for listening to me and for the replys they are very helpful with me dealing with this.
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Post by imisshim on Oct 5, 2004 19:19:28 GMT -5
Hello, I am new to this site as well but your loss sounds so much like mine I also lost a brother with a wife that has 6 different stories I AM SO SORRY. And my family was told the same story not to tell anyone and don't jepordize the case. From personal experine I recommend to sing it from the highest mountain. I lost another brother to murder 11 yrs ago and we did not know where or how to look for information but call a lawyer (hint)...My loss is so painful right know I can't stand to even talk about it but when I read your post I prayed for you.
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Post by Misty on Oct 25, 2004 12:23:37 GMT -5
i know how you feel! My cuz was shot and the police dont know who did it or if it was a suicide. I think its bull sh*t that there is no one that has any info. ....... someone has got to now something....... right?!? But like you I got a prob. with finding out what realy happend I am only 17 and live in another state so no one realy cares what i have to say. Plus my cuz was a drug deler and not the best person in the eyes of the law. But he was still my big cuz, he was someones son and we all loved him! I now how you fell!!!!!!!!!! But hold your head up, its gona be ok!!!!!!!!
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Post by Dogfather on Jan 16, 2005 14:03:17 GMT -5
I am the new guy here, but I have a lot of experience with unusual cases listed as suicide. I can tell you, it is VERY rare someone would shoot themselves in the back of the head. I would go as far as to say that would be a BIG clue that is wasn't suicide, but I have to assume the police knew what they were doing. I was a former cop and I know that some departments, have very little experience with these types of cases. If it doesn't look right or feel right, then you have to try to answer the questions you have. One of the best ways to try to prove something is to try to disprove it. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
Rob
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Post by wordup on Jan 16, 2005 23:46:36 GMT -5
hi, rod ,read your post, i posted under your profile, look forward to hearing from you soon. BE BLESSED
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